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Published on October 18, 2012 By Mmrnmhrm In Fallen Enchantress

It looks like Fallen Enchantress is ready for release. I don't know what differences there are between 0.99 and 1.0 yet but it's probably safe to pass judgment.

So.....

What do you think the Metacritic average of Fallen Enchantress will be by December 1, 2012? Put in your guesses.

Here are some recent game releases to compare to.....

Dishonored 91

XCOM 89

Borderlands 2 89

Torchlight II 89

Transformers: Fall of Cyberton 79

Prototype 2 76

The Sims Super Natural 71

Retro City Rampge 70

 


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on Nov 01, 2012

Frogboy

Not necessarily. There's like 4000 people who voted on Diablo 3 and it averaged around a 3. That's totally unfair. Diablo 3 is a very good game.

Not really, and certainly not when it was released. Compared to D2 it was unspectacular, uninspired, limited and built around the auction house. Covering up the database breaches early on, the massive exploiting and the server issues did not help. If you force people to play online, remove LAN features, and then fail to provide adequate server capacities and performance, then the user feedback will reflect this.

I had waited for D3 for ten years, and I played D2 for several years, as well. My interest in D3 died in the third week. I never played a game that annoyed and frustrated me more than D3 did with its Inferno mode. Some of the worst design I have seen in the genre. Now, I would not give it a 3/10 either, because if you just play through the story once or twice, you get 20-40 hours of good entertainment from it, and I do not regret the purchase, but gameplay-wise it is a far worse title than D2 and definitely a league below the excellent Torchlight 2, which had a fraction of the budget. D3 is an "okay" game. Cutscenes and voice acting were great, and I liked the painterly style, too, but loot, character and monster/encounter design, as well as handling of act travelling and poor, barely random map generation were all huge disappointments to me, as a genre fan.

But I agree that user ratings are pretty useless. Actually, I think the professional metascore is also meaningless after a game has been out for a few weeks and development continued. Static scores meant something 20, 25 years ago. Today, they are often counter-productive since they do not reward continued support.

on Nov 01, 2012

Whiners harp on how 70 (or its equivelant 7.0/10) is a bad score.   I completely disagree ... but, then, my bias probably comes from my go-to source for game reviews I've stuck with all these years:  Gamespot.  No, Gamespot hasn't reviewed Elemental Fallen Enchantress, at least not yet, but nonetheless here is Gamespot's breakdown of what varying scores mean:

http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html

I quote:

  • 10.0: Prime - This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.
  • 9.0-9.5: Superb - We absolutely recommend any game in this range, especially to fans of that particular genre. However, games that score in the 9 range are also typically well suited to new players. Games that earn 9s are naturally uncommon, and earn GameSpot's Editors' Choice Award for their outstanding quality.
  • 8.0-8.5: Great - This range refers to great games that are excellent in almost every way and whose few setbacks probably aren't too important. We highly recommend games in the upper half of this range, since they tend to be good enough to provide an enjoyable experience to fans of the particular genre and to new players alike.
  • 7.0-7.5: Good - A game within this range is good overall, and likely worth playing by fans of the particular genre or by those otherwise interested. While its strengths outweigh its weaknesses, a game that falls in this range tends to have noticeable faults.
  • 6.0-6.5: Fair - Games that earn 6-range ratings have certain good qualities but significant problems as well. These games may well be worth playing, but you should approach them with caution.
  • 5.0-5.5: Mediocre  -A 5-range score refers to a game that's "merely average" in the negative sense. These games tend to have enough major weaknesses to considerably outweigh their strengths. There's probably a substantially better, similar game out there for you.
  • 4.0-4.5: Poor - Games that just don't work right and maybe didn't spend enough time in production tend to fall in to this category. They simply lack the cohesion and quality that make other games fun.
  • 3.0-3.5: Bad - You probably shouldn't get too close to a game in this range. Any of its positive qualities most likely serve only to make the rest of it seem even more disappointing.
  • 2.0-2.5: Terrible - Beware, for a game in this range is almost entirely devoid of any remotely decent or fully functional features.
  • 1.0-1.5: Abysmal - Ouch. The rare game that falls in this lowest-of-the-low range has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Don't play this game

Granted, other game review sites may use different interpretations.  I like that Gamespot makes it difficult to get such a high score, with 9.5s virtually unheard of and 10 the forbidden holy grail that nothing has achieved.  In fact, the highest review score ever on Gamespot for a PC game was 9.6 achieved by the original Diablo:  http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?platform=5&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc&official=all

And if you sort through their reviews by date, you'll find they review games going all the way back to Zork in 1980 -- that's 32 years ago -- although the oldest game I found they've reviewed and actually assigned a point score to was the original XCOM: UFO Defense which was published Dec 31, 1993 -- 19 years ago, though the date of the review was 1996 -- and earned a score of 9.0.

 

on Nov 01, 2012

Frogboy

Quoting Rhadagast, reply 80
Quoting Frogboy, reply 77
Quoting Rhadagast, reply 76User score of 7.1 (out of 10) thanks to some super low ratings, only 18 in so far.  No critic reviews shown yet.  They should show median instead of average, would cut down on the influence of fan boys and trolls alike.

Unfortunately, user game reviews aren't terribly informative.  As someone pointed out, Diablo 3 has a user review rating on Metacritic of 3.

There are a lot of people out there these days who just have an axe to grind.

 

I agree, not very useful, larger sample size will no doubt bring it up a bit also.

Not necessarily. There's like 4000 people who voted on Diablo 3 and it averaged around a 3. That's totally unfair. Diablo 3 is a very good game.

Exactly.  I don't think many people are aware that there was a concerted effort by certain online communities (namely 4chan) to drag Diablo 3's score down as low as possible.  You even have instances of people registering dozens of times just to offset anybody who submitted a positive score.

on Nov 01, 2012

Heavenfall

Quoting Ratatosk7, reply 84I find the average review fairly accurate if slightly below my prediction. Honestly it seems like the majority of the higher scores are from apologists/fanboys bumping up the score because 'its better than WoM', which has me thinking I maybe bumped up my prediction because FE is better than WoM as well. FE should be judged against its peers, not biased against previous iterations.

Something similar could be said in reverse for those that "hate" the game. How many mention that it's not MoM, or some other game that they loved playing 15 years ago? This demonstrates an incapability to judge the game on its own merit, rather it is being judged by how "equal" it is to previous games (including E:wom!). The thought process "I didn't have fun because this isn't a clone of my favourite game X" is completely ludicrous to me.

The question is not if FE has a mechanic you loved in some other game. The question is if FE makes the mechanics it has work, and if it's fun to play. And, to be fair, there is plenty of accurate criticism in that area as well - but not in the lowest votes.

 

A fair assessment, I suppose the biases will balance each other out. I think FE will be a very solid game after a couple more large patches. Releasing it now was just asking to take some flak, I would have been paranoid about releasing a finished game after the disaster that was WoM. Thankfully a little more community criticism was accepted this time instead of catering to the crazy fanboys that think everything that Stardock makes is perfect. I cringed so many times during the WoM development process and it personally taught me an important lesson about taking positive feedback with a grain of salt. Stardock doesn't seem to be hurting financially so I am not sure why they rushed this out a month or two ahead of time except for possibly the Christmas season.

 

I just realized how much I typed up about Diablo 3 there. I didn't mean to hijack the thread but its like someone said Fable 2/3/4 or Dragon Age 2 were the greatest RPGs ever made and I had to make a response for the sake of sanity. I hate this age of mediocrity when hype matters more than substance and people are peer pressured into saying games that suck are great while games such as Witcher 2, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Metro 2033, etc get little attention. As far as conspiracy theories of concentrated efforts to drag down Diablo 3's score, do you think people are motivated to do that for games they like? I just checked their recent updates and forums to see if they have fixed any of the issues plaguing the game to see if I should be a bit more lax in my criticism but it looks like nothing has changed.

on Nov 01, 2012

Mmrnmhrm



Quoting Bellack,
reply 39
Well as is with latest update I would not score it as high as CIV V.  The game is better than it every was but still has some issue (weak AI, no sea units, primitive TC)  I'm not currently noting bugs at this point. so I'll give it a 70 at this point.  With current bugs I'd give a a 68.

Now this is just the Vanilla game. I'm afraid that it aint going to get much better than this before launch. However with modding and expansions this game will go from an Ok game to a fantastic game.  Basic game engine now seem solid so I think this game has the potential to be great.

Now CIV V upon realease should not have been a 90 more like an 80 due to issues it had which God and Kings have mostly addressed. Now it is a 90 IMHO.

 


This isn't a thread about what you, Bellack, would give the game. Everyone has heard, ad naseuem, your opinions. If you think Civilization V should have gotten an 80 then that's your opinion. But it didn't. It got a 90. 

This is a thread for guessing what you think the score on Metacritic will be. 

What I think it should get: 87

What I think it will get: 81




 

Everyone who posted a number is based on what they think it will get and it is based on thier opinion. So trolling me will not affect that. 

on Nov 01, 2012

Everyone who posted a number is based on what they think it will get and it is based on thier opinion. So trolling me will not affect that.

Yea, and you said 68. So when you give your "opinion" in the future we can reflect how mainstream it is.

on Nov 01, 2012

mastroego



Quoting Frogboy,
reply 77

Unfortunately, user game reviews aren't terribly informative.  As someone pointed out, Diablo 3 has a user review rating on Metacritic of 3.
There are a lot of people out there these days who just have an axe to grind.


I would vote Diablo III exactly ZERO, like the chance that I'm going to pay for the "privilege" of "renting" single player gaming hours from their servers, or for an idiotic action house. 

Don't forget that Diablo III isn't the only purchasable game around: there are others. When you think like a customer, harsh reviews have plenty of reasons to exist... and I thank the users who take the time to write them down and warn the other players, who have to carefully decide where to spend their money.

I understand a developer might feel like you do about users who give extremely low votes, but don't forget that there are those who give 10s for "personal" reasons, as well... even FE is benefiting from those. I say the system is more than fair. 

While I completely agree with you, most gamers out there today don't mind being spoon fed their entertainment. That's why games like DIII and products like Steam are becoming so successful.

Games like FE, where you have to think, will take a hit because thinking is 'work'. It's unfortunate, but popular demand generally coincides with entropic demand.

 

on Nov 01, 2012

Mmrnmhrm

Everyone who posted a number is based on what they think it will get and it is based on thier opinion. So trolling me will not affect that.

Yea, and you said 68. So when you give your "opinion" in the future we can reflect how mainstream it is.

And when you give "your" opinion in the future, I can reflect how you substitute mainstream/popularity for merit/value.

on Nov 01, 2012

For some reason I can't get to metacritic?  Is it down or something wonky on my end?

on Nov 01, 2012

Mmrnmhrm
The user reviews on metacritc or anywhere else on games are useless. 

 

The prediction thread is about what the review score will be by professional reviewers. Not kids who gave it a 0 "just because".

Actully the professional reviews are the ones that are not to be trusted in ANYTHING.  User reviews is the only way to gauge a game until you actully play it. But you should read the reviews to see why they gave the score they did and see if thier concerns are similar to your concerns.  And you simply filter out most of the fanboys/Hater reviews that don't make some sort of point as to why they hate or love the game.

Now I'm not saying that you have to agree with the score. People have different taste. WOM was a horrible game but there are some who think it was a wonderful game (Don't know why but they do.) 

And I'd bet the reason you find the user reviews useless is because you can't stand when someone disagrees with you. But Fanboys/Haters tend to be this way.

on Nov 01, 2012

Chibiabos

Quoting Mmrnmhrm, reply 97
Everyone who posted a number is based on what they think it will get and it is based on thier opinion. So trolling me will not affect that.

Yea, and you said 68. So when you give your "opinion" in the future we can reflect how mainstream it is.

And when you give "your" opinion in the future, I can reflect how you substitute mainstream/popularity for merit/value.

If this thread was called "what would you rate this game?" then you might have a point.

But this thread is about predicting what the average professional review score will be, i.e. metacritic. 

 

on Nov 01, 2012

Lord Xia
For some reason I can't get to metacritic?  Is it down or something wonky on my end?

The site is completely bugged.

I made a login for it, and whenever my login is cached, the site gives me an error.

 

on Nov 01, 2012

User reviews are total crap.  This game sucks because it's steam only!!  This game is crap because it's a sequel and doesn't have this minor part of the game or changed from 3rd person to first person!  Player reviews are total shit.

on Nov 01, 2012

Lord Xia
User reviews are total crap.  This game sucks because it's steam only!!  This game is crap because it's a sequel and doesn't have this minor part of the game or changed from 3rd person to first person!  Player reviews are total shit.

 

That's just plain ignorant.

on Nov 01, 2012

Mmrnmhrm

Quoting Chibiabos, reply 99
Quoting Mmrnmhrm, reply 97
Everyone who posted a number is based on what they think it will get and it is based on thier opinion. So trolling me will not affect that.

Yea, and you said 68. So when you give your "opinion" in the future we can reflect how mainstream it is.

And when you give "your" opinion in the future, I can reflect how you substitute mainstream/popularity for merit/value.

If this thread was called "what would you rate this game?" then you might have a point.

But this thread is about predicting what the average professional review score will be, i.e. metacritic. 

 

The fact that it is not a 'what would you rate this game?' thread is, actually, exactly my point -- professional reviewers aren't "mainstream" fans.  Die-hard fans are befuddled Diablo III is being lambasted for its atrocious copying of Assassin's Creed's rightfully blasted 'single player games should require constant connection to our servers, and we aren't responsible for maintaining our servers even though our servers failing makes their paid-for products completely unusable due to the constant connection requirement we forced on everyone' with low reviews and FE isn't getting 10/10s everywhere.  Most replies in threads to postings of 70/100-ish reviews of FE posted thus far have been in shock and horror and disbelieving anyone could rate FE 'so low.'  

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